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pat9422 a écrit : Du Sen...non merci cette marque et moi ça fait 2 :-)
C'est juste le nom générique de la coque, qui est utilisé sur 95% des boutons "chinois", en fait. ;-/

Tu as les coques MX500 (le truc standard), les coques Yuin un peu représenté et 2 ou 3 bizarreries comme tes Toneking...

MX500 :
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Yuin :
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Ca joue principalement sur le diamètre de la face avant, les Toneking TO 200 ohms doivent avoir un diamètre encore plus large, d'où le fit difficile....
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Ah Dac je vois aussi les Yinhoo BK2 en Mmcx pour une prochaine fois !
Avec ceux que tu me montre je crois que j'ai moins le fit ça ne me tiens pas du tout :-)
J'en ai p'tete un qui traine encore pour retester.

En fait je l'ai bien le Sen bouton et comparé au TO200 on est bien en dessous même si c'est pas mauvais.
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davidmolliere a écrit :Pas trouvé de référence à la ligne “Collection” des Astrotec Lyra, les reviews sont bonnes...quelqu’un a déjà essayé ?

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Je les ai. C'est de la bonne camelote, mais cher, trop. Peu de basses, mais le reste du spectre est parfait à mes oreilles. J'ai "customé" l'earbud en enlevant l'arrière (une espèce de microfibre dur qui donne de la pureté au son d'après Penon)... après ça je trouve que le spectre est plus linéaire, et l'écoute est moins fatigante aussi (qui tend vraiment vers l'aigu à la base). Au final c'est vrai le son est très bon... c'est analogique je trouve (au sens où les sons sont parfaitement liés entre eux), c'est noté sur Penon aussi. Après mes Toneking TO180 ont plus de basses, avec une qualité sur le reste du spectre à quelques choses près similaire, pour 50 balles, quand l'Astrotec dépasse les 200. Les TO180 ont un câble détachable, donc ce n'est pas limiteur. Ceci dit le câble de l'Astrotec Lyra COllection est d'une qualité supérieure à la norme.

J'ai toujours un faible pour les 1More E1008, un son très naturel je trouve .... pas le monstre de technique, ou le basseux de service, mais au final un son super équilibré, qui se marie bien avec les engins de chantiers, la circulation, ou les oiseaux :lol: :lol: :lol:

Edit : review ali express sur les 1More E1008 : " I personally, recommend for people who hear long sessions of music. "

C'est excactement ce que j'en pense. Une écoute naturelle, équilibrée sur le spectre, qui permet d'écouter longuement sans fatigue.
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Je regrette que son-video ou d'autres boutiques en France ne fassent pas d'earbuds. Il y a pourtant un vrai potentiel, personnellement je ne pourrais pas revenir aux intras. Le son est beaucoup plus ouvert, et le confort est à mon sens beaucoup moins restrictif que les intras qui changent parfois de sonorité s'ils bougent de 2mm dans l'oreille. Sans parler de la fatigue du tympan ... l'earbud clairement va mettre moins de pression sur celui-ci, au détriment peut-être de la restitution par rapport à l'intra, mais bon le débat se situe parfois aussi sur le terrain du confort.
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track_10 a écrit :Je regrette que son-video ou d'autres boutiques en France ne fassent pas d'earbuds. Il y a pourtant un vrai potentiel, personnellement je ne pourrais pas revenir aux intras. Le son est beaucoup plus ouvert, et le confort est à mon sens beaucoup moins restrictif que les intras qui changent parfois de sonorité s'ils bougent de 2mm dans l'oreille. Sans parler de la fatigue du tympan ... l'earbud clairement va mettre moins de pression sur celui-ci, au détriment peut-être de la restitution par rapport à l'intra, mais bon le débat se situe parfois aussi sur le terrain du confort.
Totalement d'accord..
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track_10 a écrit :Je regrette que son-video ou d'autres boutiques en France ne fassent pas d'earbuds. Il y a pourtant un vrai potentiel, personnellement je ne pourrais pas revenir aux intras. Le son est beaucoup plus ouvert, et le confort est à mon sens beaucoup moins restrictif que les intras qui changent parfois de sonorité s'ils bougent de 2mm dans l'oreille. Sans parler de la fatigue du tympan ... l'earbud clairement va mettre moins de pression sur celui-ci, au détriment peut-être de la restitution par rapport à l'intra, mais bon le débat se situe parfois aussi sur le terrain du confort.
Totalement d'accord..
Merci . J'aimerais être entendu :lol:

Les sennheiser MX 375 ou plus que l'on trouve en grandes surfaces sont bien aussi. J'en ai, pour le prix c'est bien, ça fait le boulot. Et avec la qualité. Si je devais choisir entre des intras à 500€ à commander gratuitement, et des Senn MX à aller chercher en grandes surfaces, je ferais le deuxième choix :lol: mais je sens un retour aux sources dans les rayons ... on verra dans les magasins spécialisés.
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J'ai fait de ces écouteurs (SENNHEISER MX 375) une modification.., j'ai affûter leur corps avec du papier abrasif pour qu'ils soient plus petits et mieux assis dans les oreilles (tout de même, sous les coussinets d'oreille ne peut rien voir) et pourtant ils doivent être tournés dans les oreilles horizontales..
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vinni a écrit :
track_10 a écrit :Je regrette que son-video ou d'autres boutiques en France ne fassent pas d'earbuds. Il y a pourtant un vrai potentiel, personnellement je ne pourrais pas revenir aux intras. Le son est beaucoup plus ouvert, et le confort est à mon sens beaucoup moins restrictif que les intras qui changent parfois de sonorité s'ils bougent de 2mm dans l'oreille. Sans parler de la fatigue du tympan ... l'earbud clairement va mettre moins de pression sur celui-ci, au détriment peut-être de la restitution par rapport à l'intra, mais bon le débat se situe parfois aussi sur le terrain du confort.
Totalement d'accord..
Pareil : j'aime toujours autant les Shozy BK que j'écoute quasi quotidiennement, quand on tape dans le haut du panier ça commence à ressembler à l'écoute d'un casque ouvert notamment en terme de "densité" sonore. (Y)
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J'ai pour ma part beaucoup de mal à associer "densité sonore" et Shozy BK (que je possède)... :-S
Et la densité sonore, tu n'as pas besoin de "taper dans le haut du panier" des oreillettes pour l'avoir : rien que des EMX500 t'en donnent à foison (toujours plus que les Shozy BK en tout cas, àmha).

La qualité d'un bon casque ouvert, les écouteurs-boutons te permettent d'en profiter avec un budget des plus réduits. Ce n'est pas la moindre de leurs qualités.
En écoute actuellement : ISN Neo 3 avec Effect Audio Grandioso et Azla Sedna Light Short
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Désolé de le dire (pour vous) mais je reste dubitatif sur la paire que tu as et que Coco a eu aussi avant, au vue de vos retours qui ne correspondent à aucun autre avant vous : on en a parlé et on ne va pas le refaire. Aucuns autres retours ne rejoient vos impressions sur cette paire, aucune review sur le Net ne va dans ce sens : donc je pense - c'est juste ma lecture - que votre paire n'est pas représentative des BK. Défaut de fabrication ? :-?

Pour ceux qui voudraient se faire un avis sur l'accueil général sur les BK http://www.tellementnomade.org/forum/vi ... 15#p551671
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=> Quelques reviews :

https://everydaylisteningblog.wordpress ... fine-wine/
Verdict – 9/10, Shozy’s newest earbud boasts an expertly crafted build that exhumes exclusivity and an organic, slightly analogue tuning that thoroughly impresses with its realism. If you’re looking for a versatile, balanced and comfortable earbud, the BK is a fantastic choice.


http://theheadphonelist.com/shozy-bk-st ... ud-review/
So the BK is not a cheap earbud, but in a sense, it does provide pleasing value. They offer a unique but catching aesthetic, supreme long-term comfort and a very mature sound that is a rarity even among vastly more expensive products. Shozy might not have the most cutting-edge products, but one thing they nail is tonality, arguably just as important if not more so. The BK actualizes their philosophy as a tonally excellent earbud that possesses some really nice quality too. Bass texture and tightness, in particular, are more akin to that offered by the $300 Oriveti New Primacy than the in-ears and earbuds around $150-200. Though the New Primacy offers more sub-bass and slightly more resolution still, the BK comes in at just half the price. Their midrange is also an outlier around this price, they are simply so natural sounding without compromising clarity and detail presentation. This does come with some caveats, the BK’s don’t have the most atmospheric treble response, they need a nice source to flourish and provide almost zero noise isolation; but if you love the earbud form factor or intend to use them in quiet environments, the BK’s provide an exceptional auditory experience.

Verdict – 9/10, Shozy’s newest earbud boasts an expertly crafted build that exhumes exclusivity and an organic, slightly analogue tuning that thoroughly impresses with its realism. If you’re looking for a versatile, balanced and comfortable earbud, the BK is a fantastic choice.


https://www.reddit.com/r/headphones/com ... ed_the_ve/
Overall, much more coherent sound signature than any VE product I've tried. Great build, accessories slightly lacking. Best earbud I've used yet by a fairly significant margin. Like these much more than the VE Zen which I was underwhelmed by. Monks are still a good buy for the price, but obviously don't sound as nice as the much more expensive Stardust. It'll be interesting to try some other earbuds Head-Fi goes gaga over (Cypherus Audio ones come to mind). Safe to say I've graduated from the VE meme :)


Comparaison sur https://everydaylisteningblog.wordpress.com/
- Avec les Ourart Ti7 :
Shozy BK ($160): Take the Cygnus, balance out its tone, add technicality and you essentially have the BK. It’s a fantastic extension of the very natural Shozy house sound with tighter bass, more open, present mids and a more detailed, extended high-end. Build remains similar but the cable is tougher though not removable like the Ti7. I do prefer the BK quite strongly to the Ourart, it represents a maturation of the same style of sound with greater clarity, resolution and more accurate body. Bass is tighter but just as articulate and mids are more balanced and transparent. High are much more open on the BK if not particularly airy or extended in the grand scheme of things. Of course, they are much more expensive and the law of diminishing returns does show its ugly face, but the BK does a lot to justify its premium price. Both are similarly difficult to drive, though the BK is more sensitive, it is also even pickier about source synergy due to its transparency.
- avec les Rose Masya :
Shozy BK ($160): The BK fits identically to the Cygnus but has a sturdier 8-core cable (also fixed). It has a more balanced sound than the Cygnus overall though it is less aggressive in its presentation and is still less neutral than the Masya. The very clear Masya makes the BK sound almost veiled though the BK is definitely not a veiled earbud in isolation and is more linear and natural. Bass is more coherent and textured with greater sub-bass extension on the Shozy though both are very clean and defined. Mids are clearer on the Masya but more layered and resolving on the BK due to its superior resolution. The Masya has greater treble extension and air than the BK at the cost of realism and some texture. The BK is more concise and detailed within its upper midrange/lower treble though the highest details are resolved better by the Masya. The BK images well, a lot better than the Masya, though the Rose easily has the more spacious soundstage.


https://www.head-fi.org/threads/earbuds ... t-13848462
BK is excellent for warm balanced full sound. Vocals very forward, treble smooth and nicely extended with thicker foams like donut and full but harsher and extremely detailed with monk thin foams so you get to chose your preference. It has great extension on both ends so you get a healthy amount of sub bass and highs/treble, but it's not over done on emphasis since it's balanced and not U or V shaped. Overall it's a great performer but it's not got a massively out of head experience for soundstage (more up front and small room effect but still have good imaging and incredible resolution and detail)so it's more suited to vocal/acoustic/rock/jazz music than EDM, symphony or atmospheric stuff. I would consider it a very organic natural sound like the Cygnus but slightly more leveled off and warmer whereas cygnus is more neutral and has more rolled off treble and a mid bass bump for fun factor.

If you like to hear your vocals with great weight and lush mids, warm and musical. Go for stardust.
If you prefer a grand atmospheric effect with huge soundstage and lots of space/ sound. Look elsewhere!


La dernière description est excellente et reflète exactement ce que j'en pense. (Y)


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Comparaison entre 4 earbuds : DIY Graphene / Shozy Cygnus / Shozy BK Stardust / Rose Masya : https://www.head-fi.org/threads/earbuds ... t-13866660

Impressions time!

I'm going to keep this simple and to the point. I'll compare the DIY Graphene, Shozy Cygnus and Shozy BK Stardust and Rose Masya.

All the earbuds have been burned in atleast 15+ hours.

Low end/Bass:

Graphene
Polite Sub Bass, extends quiet low but not felt too much
Mid bass bump, slightly less defined and punch compared to shozy's but still of good quality. Slightly warm and smooth.

Cygnus
Sub bass presents similar to Graphene, Maybe slightly more presence, but not by much and is almost definitely down to fit/seal.
Mid bass has a punchy but overall warm analog sound that is slight better defined than the graphene possibly (shell size could be making a difference here).

BK Stardust
Extends equally as low but is more balanced with the mid bass. Slightly more felt presence and of higher resolution than the others.
Mid bass is less slightly emphasised than Cygnus for a more balanced linear bass presentation, about the same as the Graphene but of higher quality and sounds wonderfully resolving and has the same tight punchy but warm analog sound as the cygnus.

Masya
Good sub bass presence, not overpowering but always felt. Slightly colder tone than the others but not dull.
Mid bass carries on the same presentation, good presence but again not overpowering. The slightly colder presentation allows the sub and miss bass some great airy qualities and space. Bass heavy tracks don't become congested at all. Has the most effortless bass response of all the buds, slightly more presence than the BK overall if you get a good seal/fit that is.
Overall can be described as a spacious, extremely tight/quick sounding bass with good presence.

Mid Range/Vocals:

Graphene
Neutral presentation, musical and in balance with the low end/high end. The slightly warm low end flows into the lower mids giving them a slight warmth which fades out as you reach the high mids, this is very shozy-like. Mids have good sparkle and sound natural with good timbre and space/air between instruments. Vocals are the weak point here, they are slightly recessed which makes them somewhat duller than that of the Cygnus, although being of similar neutral tonality. The one positive is that they sound natural. Possibly with a warmer, smoother source that can push them slightly forward you may be able to improve the vocals somewhat.

Cygnus
Neutral presentation, musical and in balance with the low end/high end. Same as above, warm low end allows the low mids a bit of warmth which helps fill out the sound nicely. Mids have good sparkle and sound natural with a slightly good timbre and space air between instruments. Vocals are neutral and decently detailed. Vocals are not particularly thick or lush but do sound relatively clear and detailed thanks to their slightly forward presentation. They also are very natural sounding.

Stardust BK
The highlight of the show. If you're after a thick lush natural mid range with very good detailing, separation and natural timbre the bk offers it all. The sound after burn in smoothes out but just stays on the edge with it's resolving and textured slightly warm presentation. Like the cygnus the bass warmth helps the vocals sound full and lush, high mids are neutral but sweet and sparkly. Everything is wonderfully balanced and defined. I don't need to say much more other than this is the best natural sounding mid range I've heard in an earbud and shozy have done an excellent job tuning this earbud.
Again a neutral presentation with excellent separation, detailing and a slight emphasis on on the mid range to bring out excitement in instrumentals and vocals. This is certainly not just mid centric earbud though and on the whole is nicely balanced, with only a mild mid emphasis. Whilst it may not have the same natural timbre as the bk, it certainly has a wonderfully exciting smooth clean sound. However, this time with little warmth or mid bass bloat influencing the lower mids, in some ways it's nice to have a clean sounding low mid region but I think it doesn't help the Masya when paired with my bright/neutral sounding iphone 6s. The lack of thick low mids does affect the vocals, but I suspect with a different source this problem is not evident, other headfier's have not had this issue with their sources. Apart from the thin sound of the vocals, there is incredible clarity and a sweet delicate presentation which is just wonderful. Whilst the resolution may not be as high as the BK, it certainly has a cleaner smoother overall presentation at the cost of some thickness. Overall vocal quality is equal on both, the choice is yours if you prefer smooth and clear sound of the Masya or textured and naturally full vocals of the BK.

High's/Treble:

Graphene
High's are well extended but slightly peaky in places, overall pretty balanced the lows and mids though. Treble is lively and sparkly and has nice detailing. Not too much roll off as far as I can tell, the usual amount for a balanced treble proficient earbud somewhere in between the cygnus and stardust I feel. With the right foams to tame/bring out the treble to the users needs, these sound wonderful up top.

Cygnus
Much of the same as the Graphene, maybe slightly more roll off up top. There are no obvious peaks which keeps the treble smoother than the Graphene but at the cost of a slightly more rolled off top end. Overall a very similar treble experience which I enjoyed a lot.

BK Stardust
The high end is a step up on the BK, so long as you can handle it. It has greater extension, detailing and balance than the Cygnus or Graphene. Continues the tonality of the upper mids being very natural and neutral.

Masya
Extends well like the bk, but there is a slight peak in the treble which could be troublesome for some, although not much of an issue with the right foams. Overall a very well articulated high end that smoothly transitions from the upper mids. Smoother presentation than the bk, but slightly less detailed (only very slightly). Overall some really high quality treble here again.

Soundstage/Imaging

Graphene
Soundstage feels medium-big Width is good, depth decent too. Imaging is pretty accurate overall.

Cygnus
Soundstage feels medium in size but more intimate/close in presentation. Width and depth are good. Imaging may be a little better than the Graphene, hard to tell, nothing too noticeable.

BK Stardust
Soundstage feels medium in size, like cygnus it feels close possibly even more intimate due to the even more forward sounding presentation. Imaging is a step above the Graphene and Cygnus, location of sounds are very easy to locate.

Masya
Big soundstage, feels open and spacious, out of head despite the intimate vocals and mid range nothing sounds too confined. More depth than width focused. Imaging isn't as quiet as good as the cygnus or stardust though. Sounds are not as easy to pinpoint.

Overally I'd say all these earbuds are equally impressive within their price ranges. My personal pick is still the shozy BK but at the price range that may be expected. If your looking for a bigger out of head sound the Rose Masya is an excellent earbud at a better price than the BK. The Cygnus and Graphene are very similar but you pay extra for better vocal balance and better overall coherency of sound with less peaks and dips.

Hope you guys find the review helpful!


Super review !! (Y)


kookaburra a écrit:
Comme on a un peu parlé des BK sur l'autre topic, je relance celui-là avec quelques autres tests pour compléter le "tour du web" à leur propos :

https://everydaylistening.net/2017/06/2 ... fine-wine/

Tonality –

The BK exemplifies Shozy’s analogue but tasteful tuning as the most natural sounding earbud I’ve ever heard. And in terms of realism and musicality, the BK also bests some much more expensive in-ear earphones too. The BK is very balanced and just slightly U-shaped, with bass having the most emphasis. It is tonally in-between the slightly mid-forward 1More E1008 and the more bass focussed Cygnus which I found to be a really nice sweet spot. Mids are very even and quite full-bodied. While they aren’t thick, closed off or muddy to any extent, they make a lot of in-ears sound thin and unnatural by comparison.

Bass –

The low-end on the BK is well tuned, agile and snappy with great PRAT. Buyer’s need to consider that the BK doesn’t have a huge bass emphasis, rather, bass is slightly lifted from neutral and organic in nature with a touch of deep/mid-bass focus. For my tastes, bass quantity and emphasis is pretty spot on and I think a lot of listeners will find the same. The Cygnus does sound fuller for those who prefer a bit more low-end, though it’s more mid-bass focused response is looser and lacks the fabulous texturing of the BK. Being an earbud, the BK has just average sub-bass extension and no real slam to the lowest notes. Of course, few earbuds really hit that deep, but a few models like the E1008 do have slightly more extension. That being said, every frequency above that is really well done, the BK has a very linear bass response with minimal flab or bloat, far less than the Cygnus before it. The low-end is also very tight without leaning out, something the E1008 struggled to pull off.

When listening to Earth, Wind and Fire’s “In the Stone”, the BK’s provided fantastic texturing that easily bested both the Cygnus and E1008. The BK also had the fastest response with great pacing and very impressive definition, making the Cygnus sound a bit sloppy by comparison. They also possess great bass detail retrieval, the BK’s low-end was considerably tighter and more defined than the more expensive 1More Quad Driver for instance and bass resolution was fabulous with great clarity to individual notes and sweeping tones alike. Similarly, when listening to Arcade Fire’s “Everything Now”, a song that has a slightly more monotonous bass line, the BK did a great job discerning details that the Cygnus skipped over entirely. So besides extension, there’s not much to dislike with the BK’s bass response. Of course, the BK is lacking the resolution of more expensive in-ear models like the 64Audio U3, but the earbud provides a truly sensational mix of linear tuning and quality that dismantles similarly priced in-ear models and appreciably outperforms similarly priced earbuds too.

Mids –

Despite having such a great low-end, the BK’s midrange might be their most impressive aspect. I’m very picky about my midrange tuning, so many earphones come off as unnatural, thick or thin. I think a lot of earphones are too focused on impressing with their pounding bass and soaring highs that they forget the majority of the information in most songs is contained within the midrange. The BK immediately impresses again with its linearity and realism. While mids do carry a slightly darker tone, they have great clarity while retaining impressive amounts of vocal body; they don’t sound as thin as the Magaosi K3 Pro, Fiio EX1 2nd Gen and even the 1More Quad Driver. This is probably the most notable aspect of their performance, that ability to present so much clarity while retaining that organic, natural tone. Lower mids are slightly warm with just a hint of bass spill though male vocals never sound muddy or thick, just slightly more full-bodied.

Listening to Commodore’s “Easy”, the BK produced clear, forward vocals with nice layering and projection. They were slightly more balanced than the more bass-forward Cygnus and clarity, realism and timbre were all improved on the BK. Upper mids sit just slightly behind lower mids and retain that same kind of full-bodied presentation. The BK absolutely flatter female vocals, they have the best upper-midrange tuning I’ve heard on an earbud. Even thinner Asian vocals, which sound a bit thin and nasal on the Cygnus, sound lush on the BK while retaining clarity and detail. Similarly, thicker western vocals avoid sounding chesty or unconcise, the BK’s are more tonally consistent than the Cygnus and more natural while also sounding cleaner and clearer. Listening to “Erase” by Hyolyn, Jooyoung and the BK produced great separation between main and backing vocals and both male and female vocals were delightfully balanced. The BK also created a very pleasing rendition of strings that was smooth and unfatiguing but also clear and composed, their midrange is tonally excellent.

And quality wise, the BK’s are similarly impressive, the BK’s are more transparent and revealing than the very technically proficient 1More E1008 while also being more tonally pleasing. Resolution is also good but they are missing a touch compared to similarly price in-ears, most apparent with layering and the precision of background details. Detail retrieval is very good, the BK isn’t as aggressive in its detail presentation as the slightly peakier Cygnus, but I wouldn’t consider them to be laid-back either. Listening to George Michael’s “Faith” and the BK did a much better job than the Cygnus at reproducing each guitar strum and detail. And though the Cygnus had more forward treble details, their outright detail retrieval and resolution clearly lagged behind the more expensive BK. The E1008 told a similar story with less resolution and considerably less clarity than the BK. And while the E1008 has similar detail retrieval to the Cygnus, the BK is easily the more detailed, resolving earbud.

Treble –

The high-end is where the BK falters a bit, perhaps it is a limitation of the earbud form factor at this time as earbuds don’t do end to end extension particularly well in general. The BK is among the best earbuds I’ve heard in terms of high-frequency response though they don’t extend and resolve quite like in-ears around this price do. Extension is just good in the grand scheme of things, they certainly extend further than the Cygnus and similarly to the dual driver E1008, but that really high-frequency detail is either recessed or missing. That’s not to say that the BK is missing detail in the slightest and this isn’t noticeable in the majority of songs, but the BK does have a roll-off at the very top. Tonally, treble is very natural as with the rest of the sound, notes have nice body and texturing to cymbals, strings and wind instruments is very pleasing. Lower and middle treble detail retrieval is also impressive, they aren’t super aggressive in their presentation, but a slight lower treble bump does give them just a little extra crispness. Middle treble, in particular, is considerably more resolving than the Cygnus, which rolls off sooner and the E1008, which gets uneven in the highs.

The BK doesn’t possess huge air but they do have some sparkle and treble sounds generally clean and separated. High-frequency resolution still can’t match really good in-ears around this price, I still prefer the response of the RE-600 for instance, but the BK’s linearity and texturing can be favourable to the peakier Quad-Driver and the very lower-treble forward Pinnacle P1 depending on preference. They do improve when removing the foam covers though the tonality is skewed bright with a significant loss of low-end that kind of ruins their splendid tuning. Some may prefer this sound, however, and there are plenty of different covers users can experiment with to achieve their desired sound. Of the Heigi donuts, full foams (without removed centre), Monk+ foams and 1More silicone rings, the pre-installed covers were the most “correct” to my ear though high-end extension and resolution was compromised. It’s a trade-off and listeners who prefer a more mid-forward sound will definitely enjoy the BK with the Monk+, 1More or perhaps no covers at all.

Verdict –

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So the BK is not a cheap earbud, but in a sense, it does provide pleasing value. They offer a unique but catching aesthetic, supreme long-term comfort and a very mature sound that is a rarity even among vastly more expensive products. Shozy might not have the most cutting-edge products, but one thing they nail is tonality, arguably just as important if not more so. The BK actualizes their philosophy as a tonally excellent earbud that possesses some really nice quality too. Bass texture and tightness, in particular, are more akin to that offered by the $300 Oriveti New Primacy than the in-ears and earbuds around $150-200. Though the New Primacy offers more sub-bass and slightly more resolution still, the BK comes in at just half the price. Their midrange is also an outlier around this price, they are simply so natural sounding without compromising clarity and detail presentation. This does come with some caveats, the BK’s don’t have the most atmospheric treble response, they need a nice source to flourish and provide almost zero noise isolation; but if you love the earbud form factor or intend to use them in quiet environments, the BK’s provide an exceptional auditory experience.

Verdict – 9/10, Shozy’s newest earbud boasts an expertly crafted build that exhumes exclusivity and an organic, slightly analogue tuning that thoroughly impresses with its realism. If you’re looking for a versatile, balanced and comfortable earbud, the BK is a fantastic choice.


https://www.headpie.net/2018/04/shozy-b ... uille.html (par Mimouille) :

The BK has a reputation for slight warmness, but I find it is quite close to what I consider as my reference for a neutral / natural tone. Bass is punchy and well controlled, not as tight as certain top IEMs like the VE8, but still good considering this costs 20 times less...plus it has a nice dynamic texture.

Mids are very transparent but some might feel they lack body. I would say this is the main downside, the price of openness versus IEMs : the sound is overall less fleshed out, a bit thinner, has less body.

Despite the slight thinness of sound, highs remain quite smooth and unagressive. There is a hint of sparkle, but I would day the BK has the airiest highs out there. In my opinion it doesn't manner, because the overall sound is open by design, so the highs do not need to enhance that. They are great as they are and allow for great naturalness of sound on instrumental pieces with many strings for instance.


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Shozy BK - 16ohm 2.5mm balanced plug variant w/multi hole medium density full foam ($170-190 RRP, paid $165 second hand)
Build
Very nice. Although the shell is a basic plastic pk shell, it's got a lovely matte black paint finish. The cable is sleek and the brown/grey tint keeps it looking sleek and professional. The braid is extremely tight with 8 cores/wires. It can be prone to some memory/springy effect but that's because of how tight knit the braid is. I really love the look and feel of this cable and the earbud as a whole portrays a sense of classic styling. The plug is very high quality metal contructed.

Comfort
Unbeatable comfort here. Light weight, excellent shell size and fit. Light and sleek cable. Perfect really.

Sound Signature
Balanced-with low mid emphasis. Linear response that emphasises the low mids but keeps the rest of the spectrum pretty neutral.

Sound

Bass is well rounded and has moderate punch but could use slightly more sub bass emphasis/extension. Overall the bass remains present but never overpowering with Good texture and control.

Mids take on a linear approach but emphasis the low mids for a fuller thicker midrange timbre. EQ this out or use a brighter source to balance the mids out more. The focus is clearly on a natural/analog sounding tonality here. There's a certain dry quality to vocals and a very honest portrayal of instruments.

Treble is neutral and very light and airy up top. It's more of a delicate-airy presentation than a powerful-highly extended approach. There's a slight edge to the lower treble to give it some bite, but it's definately not a bright presentation overall remaining very natural-neutral.

Soundstage is on the more intimate side of medium. Although using some mild EQ or the foams I mention above the separation is good enough to keep the sound uncongested. There is slightly more width than depth. Stereo separation and panning of sounds are quite accurate. Depth layering is mediocre at best, but again can be improved with the foams used above. Imaging is very natural and accurate, filling the space between ear to ear rather than just residing on either end of the ears.


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Sound:

– Stardust is a fairly bassy earbud out of box, subbass and lower midbass is surprisingly prevalent. Lot of impact, bass quality is good for price but a bit “wooly” when compared to Andromeda (admittedly tough comparison for Stardust). More bass impact and cleaner bass than both Zen and Monks.

– Strong mid-focus. Vocals and strings sound great on these with a rich timbre and balanced sound. I feel that mids are the strongest part of this this earbud. Mids blows all VE models I have out of the water. Zen’s recessed midrange gets really noticeable on anything with vocal emphasis, and Monks mids are better balanced, but not as smooth.

– Treble-wise, there feels to be a bit of treble-roll off but nowhere near as bad as VE Zen. Treble also more even than VE Monk. One niggle is that lower mids (esp. guitars) was not the most clear relative to the rest of the FR on some J-indie songs I was testing. This is reflective with the slight congestion I found on other tracks.

– In general sound signature I’d feel would look like this: \^_ (elevated bass, mid emphasis, flat/slightly rolled off treble). Their clarity is great for the price range, around UE 900s level. Stardust is not the most friendly towards poorly-mastered recordings though (one Musiq Soulchild house remix I was listening just turned into pure adfsfdksflsdf in terms of how mushed up everything sounded).

Overall, Shozy Stardust has a much more coherent sound signature than any VE product I’ve tried. The build is great, although the accessories are slightly lacking. They are the best earbud I’ve used yet by a fairly significant margin, and quite in line with other IEMs/headphones around this price range. I don’t expect Andromeda level sound quality, but Stardust captures most of the wonderful tone on those with more bass and less treble emphasis. Hope you guys enjoyed this review!


Pas d'autres références, on commence à être bien complet là ! :P
Cela rejoint mes impressions. Je n'ai entendu cette densité et ce "corps" sur aucun autre earbud, tous les autres m'ont toujours paru "trop léger" en comparaison. Ce sont les seuls qui - pour moi - se rapproche d'un casque ouvert. Avec peut-être les TY HP650, à dire vrai, dont je garde un excellent souvenir quand à leur performance sonore.

En confrontant toutes ces subjectivités à la tienne, seule négative dans un océan de reviews et retours positifs sur ces boutons, tu as le seul retour "négatif" à ma connaissance (Tellement Nomade, HF, et les différents testeurs sur eux) donc je me dis qu'il y a un problème avec ton retour sur les BK, j'espère que tu comprends pourquoi ? Ta subjectivité les trouve maigres et sibilants, toutes les autres subjectivités les trouvent excellents, "pleins", "denses", "warm balanced full sound" et "coherent sound signature". Oui, ça interpelle, évidemment même.

Comme dit plus haut dans ce même topic, il doit bien y avoir une explication : soit ta paire est défectueuse, soit tu as un problème de fit avec, soit tu vas trop loin dans ton désamour pour eux, soit... Je ne sais pas, ce ne sont que des suppositions. Mais comprends que je remette en doute ton seul retour négatif ; d'autant plus qu'il est très vindicatif à leur sujet : tu n'en apprécies pas seulement la signature, non, tu leur trouve de réels défauts que toi seul entend à leur sujet, je n'ai jamais lu quoi que ce soit du style par ailleurs. Donc je m'interroge et je pense que c'est légitime de le faire, ton retour étant à l'opposé de toutes les reviews et tous les autres retours sur le Net...
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Bah, le plus simple pour en avoir le cœur serait que tu les expertises, kooka. Si cela t'intéresse, rappelle-moi tes coordonnées en MP et je t'envoie ma paire de BK dans la semaine qui vient...
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kookaburra a écrit :
vinni a écrit :
track_10 a écrit :Je regrette que son-video ou d'autres boutiques en France ne fassent pas d'earbuds. Il y a pourtant un vrai potentiel, personnellement je ne pourrais pas revenir aux intras. Le son est beaucoup plus ouvert, et le confort est à mon sens beaucoup moins restrictif que les intras qui changent parfois de sonorité s'ils bougent de 2mm dans l'oreille. Sans parler de la fatigue du tympan ... l'earbud clairement va mettre moins de pression sur celui-ci, au détriment peut-être de la restitution par rapport à l'intra, mais bon le débat se situe parfois aussi sur le terrain du confort.
Totalement d'accord..
Pareil : j'aime toujours autant les Shozy BK que j'écoute quasi quotidiennement, quand on tape dans le haut du panier ça commence à ressembler à l'écoute d'un casque ouvert notamment en terme de "densité" sonore. (Y)
Ha oui les BK ... trop de reviews positives. Je dois rater peut-être le meilleur en earbud.
Simphonio il paraît aussi, ceux à 300 et quelques, c'est abusé le prix, mais il paraît que c'est justifié.
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track_10 a écrit : Ha oui les BK ... trop de reviews positives. Je dois rater peut-être le meilleur en earbud.
Simphonio il paraît aussi, ceux à 300 et quelques, c'est abusé le prix, mais il paraît que c'est justifié.
Ils sont pour moi dans le haut du panier, mais ils n'y sont pas seuls ! :)

Je ce que j'ai entendu je rajoute les TY HP-650. Mais je suis loin d'avoir tout entendu en HdG malheureusement ! D'après les retours/reviews disponibles sur le web - qui saluent quasi-unanimement leur son plein et dense de type "warm balanced full sound/coherent sound signature" (c'est ce qui revient à 99% à leur sujet)- on peut leur mettre en concurrence les earbuds suivants :

https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIp ... yresponded (ça provient d'HF, 116 votants ça commence à être représentatif !) et les résultats sont là : et https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIp ... wanalytics
Shozy BK (Stardust) 4.86 21
Rose Technology Masya 4.67 15
Blur 魔音 4.63 8
VE Zen 1 4.44 9
Rose Technology Mojito 4.38 13
K's Earphone K300 Samsara 4.27 11
Cypherus CampFred 4.25 8
TY (Hi-Z) HP-650 3.75 8
VE Zen 2 3.61 18
Yuin PK1 3.58 12
En HdG avec assez de votes pour que ce soit significatif, mise à part les BK : tu as aussi les Shozy Cygnus, les Rose Technology Masya/Mojito, les VE Zen 1 et les Blur 魔音... Les Shozy BK ayant la meilleure note de toute l'étude avec 4.86/5 sur 21 votes donc 18x 5/5 et 3x 4/5, pas mal (sur les 116 participants, c'est assez représentatif pour voir l'accueil général de ses BK je pense :drool: ).
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